Thoughts on Judaism

Tuesday, December 12, 2006

Iran and Charedim in Sync

For Iranian moshichist Achmedenijad and his amen corner of neoNazis and whackjobs, it is not surprising to hear that he declares the Holocaust a myth and to hear him prophesy the nuclear destruction of Israel and millions of its inhabitants. It is not odd to see Jew haters the world over applaud his efforts to reunite Nazism. It is not odd at all for Tony Blair to declare the conference, like Durban 2001 before it, shocking beyond belief.

But what draws me out of retirement are the Charedim that applauded along with the creme de la scum of the world, as they did for the late Yasser Arafat, nephew and huge fan of Nazi Haj Amin al Husseini. In their vitriolic, but political, hatred of "Zionist" Israel, they also tacitly agreed publicly that the Holocaust is a myth and that millions of Jews should be exterminated. Congratulations gentlemen, vitriolic vicious antisemitism is now authentic Judaism. Disgusting? Revolting? Sickening? Projectile Vomit inducing? Is there an adjective for such an attitude? And you wonder why it is difficult to mekarev yidden into today's "yiddishkeit". If these people are the true shomrei Torah then I hereby KOFER THEIR TORAH AND THEIR GODS, and I am calling the mohel to SEW IT BACK ON!!!! Naturai Karta and those Charedim who support you, you are bitter enemies of the Jewish people!!!


  • I share your revulsion as do my friends.

    But please don't confuse these NKnicks-turncoats who have abandoned the Jewish People and thus also have abandoned God's Torah with observant Jews.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:58 PM  

  • KT Eliyahu:

    Until they're excommunicated, you are part of them.

    By Blogger Ahavah bat Sarah, at 7:57 PM  

  • KT

    They sell themselves as the only Torah observant Jews. They think other Torah observant Jews are beneath them. These people wouldn't eat at someone elses house, they would marry their kids to someone without 15 generations of pedigree and they violently attack nonreligious Jews. They do what they do because they REPRESENT JUDAISM, and to them, this is Judaism, not just THEIR JUDAISM, but OURS TOO. They try to take over every institution in the name of the strictest common denominator. That is why it is revolting and as the comment responding says, we are part of them.

    By Blogger Rebeljew, at 8:43 PM  

  • Congrats for blaming hareidim even though they oppose NK. Its always fun blaming those hareidis.

    By Anonymous Joseph, at 9:42 PM  

  • OK Joseph
    Show me a central Charedi Rabbi or preferably a few who have publicly reacted to the Nazism of the NK (as they have in so many other lesser cases) with rebuke, or better, CHEREM, and I will publish the list. Fair enough?

    By Blogger Rebeljew, at 10:11 PM  

  • They ARE in cherem. Most charedim don't even pay enough attention to them to bother with cherem because we don't cross paths with them. We don't demonstrate with them (some of us probably go over and argue with them and many of us mock their supporters online), and they don't have a hechsher or any other businesses or communal services for us to boycott. They are 12 - 50 insignificant little insects.

    But Satmar and the Eda Hacharedis both put these nutjobs in cherem ages ago. Toldos Aharon doesn't hold by them either; same goes for Munkatch.

    Here is something that alludes to more recent criticism:

    By Anonymous Itzhak Schier, at 11:26 PM  

  • B"H
    You can do better than trying to fight Naturei Karta thru lies spreading lies:
    Their representative affirmed Holocaust in his speech at that confernce:
    13. Firstly, the facts. There is no doubt what so ever, that during World War 2 there developed a terrible and catastrophic policy and action of genocide perpetrated by Nazi Germany against the Jewish People, confirmed by innumerable eye witness survivors and fully documented again and again. I personally was spared the worst effects of the War because I was living in England which thankfully was not occupied by Nazi Germany. However, I and many many others lost countless friends and relatives who perished under the Nazi rule by intentional murder and genocide. Three million Jews in Poland, more than half a million in Hungary, many tens or hundreds of thousands in Russia, Slovakia, France, Belgium, Holland and more. The figure of six million is regularly quoted. One may wish to dispute this actual figure, but the crime was just as dreadful whether the millions (and there were millions) of victims numbered six million, five million or four million. The method of murder is also irrelevant, whether it was by gas chamber (and there were eye witnesses to this), firing squads or whatever. The evil was the same. It would be a terrible affront to the memory of those who perished to belittle the guilt of the crime in any way.

    By Anonymous Ariel Sokolovsky, at 3:43 AM  

  • Ariel

    The NK openly supported Arafat, and now Achmedenejad. Achmedenijad has told the world openly that he intends to wipe out ISrael and intimates that this will be with nukes. More significant that what they say about WWII is what they say about WWIII. They will be on the side of ...

    By Blogger Rebeljew, at 8:15 AM  

  • In their vitriolic, but political, hatred of "Zionist" Israel, they also tacitly agreed publicly that the Holocaust is a myth and that millions of Jews should be exterminated

    Was this said openly ? When ? Or is this just what they imply by their association with Achmed ?

    By Anonymous onionsoupmix, at 9:14 AM  

  • OSM
    Tacitly. FailedMessiah carries picture of a NK kissing Achmedinejad. Is it not worth a thousand words? Read the press account. It does not carry details that the NK objected to the holocaust denial. It was a holocaust denial conference. What they had to say was drowned out by their presence and they must have known that.

    As far as the Charedim, just read some of the antiZionist banter and you will see tacit support for the NK (though they may be vocally more PC. I am thinking of requiring any organization or individual who asks for money to openly REPUDIATE the NK before I will allow myself to support them.

    As for Chabad, I asked a Chabad moshichist, well acquainted with past and present Chabad to give an opinion. His unabashed reply (not knowing what my stand was on the matter), "I am not even sure they are Jewish in any sense."

    By Blogger Rebeljew, at 10:53 AM  

  • This whole topic is an example of the technique of knocking down the irrelevant straw man. On your side - "If these are religious Jews, then that's it, no Bris, No Shabbos, no kashrus, it's all a fraud!" That's as stupid as the Jew-haters saying (which they do) "Look, the REAL JEWS, these outstanding pious religious Rabbi leaders are against Zionism".

    Itzhak Schier above gave you your answer, let's not ignore him to quibble about the Holocaust (and please do sign the petition with comments). As a religious Zionist, I can plainly see that the secular Zionists have been and are increasingly guilty of crimes against true classic Zionism (by whatever name) and Judaism, and I don't excuse it. The NK are as guilty as them of claiming pure authority while internalizing non-Jewish myths and stereotypes. They say the crushingly natural and bestial Holocaust was the 'Divine Will'? Than what was the renewal of Israel which came about by way of many miracles - one of them had the answer for me - the work of the Satan. Oh. The anti-Zionist chareidim are wrong, but the media clown NK are beyond wrong into corrupt and crazy. Naturally, they are very well funded despite any visible means of support. But they are just a diversionary tactic.

    By Blogger Ben Plonie, at 12:09 PM  

  • Ben

    I just hope these deep scoffer against "Zionism" and "Medinat Yisroel" truly see where their extremism leads. And I do wish that instead of the "eda" making a blanket statement, that each individual and especially "the godolim" would sign on, by name with pashkevil and kol koreh. Lord knows they have done it for less.

    By Blogger Rebeljew, at 10:20 PM  

  • So if Iran were to nuke Israel, chos v'shalom, how exactly do the NKniks expect to avoid being killed along with everyone else?

    By Blogger The Observer, at 11:08 AM  

  • The NK never supported Holocaust denial. If you go to their website NK International, you can have the transcripts of the speaches made their. Not one of those rabbis denied the Shoah. (ps. i dont like the NK, and i dont support them).

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